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jimmydeviljames wrote:

Handsome Mike wrote:Jimmy, is really any different than when he wrote about Casey or Xiola?
This is one criticism of Perry I really don't understand.
I mean he's been writing about the women in his life all this time.
Why should he not do it now?

Yeah i see what you mean...

I guess I see my own bad experiences when working on songs in that the band have written a rock song and Perry just added goofy lyrics about his Mrs over it. Probably shouldnt vent that on here :S

Dont get me wrong, i LOVE Classic girl and I would for you.. they are also slower balladish songs too.

The song didnt blow me away..... i listened to it over and over trying to hear something different.

I guess im just picking it apart trying to figure out why...

I dunno exactly how this song came together but they are definitely still fine tuning it.
At least that's what it seemed like to a novice studio person like myself during sound check.

It's OK that you're expressing your feelings on the song and nothing you've posted crosses and line.
It's merely your opinion and thoughts and you can vent them here contrary to what some might say.

So this one doesn't blow you away.
Maybe the next one will or maybe the studio recording of this one will win you over?
Who knows, but picking this stuff apart is what happens on these forums and throughout the interweb.

TrevorAyer wrote:i think what we used to get was perrys poetry and often his concept and musical ideas mostly finished and presented to a group of really talented embellishers .. now we get 4 people in a room jamming and seeing what happens ... thus u get an unprocessed song much quicker than the other method which begins with honing lyrics and structure long before it would ever have a chance at public consumption ... in other words, because perry writes in the room with others there is no time for the soup to simmer to its full flavored potential before release to public consumption.

i wish they would take some of the sketchbook ideas that were released as records during the solo years and turn them into full on janes masterpieces but because of the fame and success we get the sketch books released as the record which accounts for the less than mindblowingly classic results that do contain moments of genius.

and i wanna hear blood rag in the middle of pigs in zen next time dammit!!!

and i wanna hear perry sing whore from spread at the end of janes whores dammit!!!

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Like I posted above I don't know how these songs are coming together exactly.
It's a good question to stick under my hat to ask Dave next time I call Dark Matter.

The one thing that I think you're missing in your thought process is the fact that it's 20 years down the road.
The music these guys create now and perhaps even their methodology is gonna be different.
Dave has stated this on more than one occasion on Dark Matter and I think it's something to at the very least consider when comparing what they're doing today vs what they did however many moons ago.

There's just no way they can recapture their youth and be exactly who they were in their teens and twenties no matter how much anyone would like them to.

The good thing is they were so fucking great back then that even though they might not reach that pinnacle on the stuff they're making today it still has a pretty good shot at being something pretty damn good just based on the talent involved.

That's my take, yours as often is the case may vary.

I read an interview with Martyn Le Noble the other day on Xiola.org where he said that while he isnt sure why Perry fired him, he thought it may to due to the fact that the material wasnt coming together like it had back in the day. He said that there was a understanding that they were realistic about not being able to reach the same highs they did back in the day but Perry possibly fired him as as her thought he was the problem there? Who knows.. but its probably important to note that they are probably not trying to recapture past glories. That is fine... I just hope they dont lose the Art this time. Strays, right down to the cover (which shocked me) was relatively 'art free'. I think i was just a little freaked out by soulmate as its a straight ahead rocker (from the poor quality audio i have heard). I will endeavour to be more optimistic about new Janes and see it as a a new band, not as the continuation of an old dynasty.

classic Janes addiction IS eric avery bass lines with Dave navarro adding guitar to the top of it. Lets hope the bass is given a bit more of a place in the new songs than it had on strays.

jimmydeviljames wrote:I read an interview with Martyn Le Noble the other day on Xiola.org where he said that while he isnt sure why Perry fired him, he thought it may to due to the fact that the material wasnt coming together like it had back in the day. He said that there was a understanding that they were realistic about not being able to reach the same highs they did back in the day but Perry possibly fired him as as her thought he was the problem there? Who knows.. but its probably important to note that they are probably not trying to recapture past glories. That is fine... I just hope they dont lose the Art this time. Strays, right down to the cover (which shocked me) was relatively 'art free'. I think i was just a little freaked out by soulmate as its a straight ahead rocker (from the poor quality audio i have heard). I will endeavour to be more optimistic about new Janes and see it as a a new band, not as the continuation of an old dynasty.

classic Janes addiction IS eric avery bass lines with Dave navarro adding guitar to the top of it. Lets hope the bass is given a bit more of a place in the new songs than it had on strays.

As many times as I've been lucky enough to talk with Perry I've never thought to ask him about Martyn.
I'll try and remember to ask him what happened there but usually when we talk it's more about current goings on.
I think the bottom line is he must not have been happy about something but I dunno anymore about it than you.

Yeah I don't think there's any thought given to trying to recapture past glories as you put it.
I just think these guys want to make a record in the here and now that when they're done with it they can sit back and say "we did good" or whatever.

You know what I mean?
Something they can be proud of and the hell with what the critics say, so to speak.

From what I've heard and read Strays was a for lack of a better word a "democratic" process.
For better or worse that's what it was and all the guys involved had a say in all aspects of it's making.
I like Strays but if the first three records are elevens on a scale of 1-10, then Strays is at least in my book a solid seven or so.

I also know the guys are proud of that record and while it may have been more accessible to the casual fans some of the die hard fans expected and desired something more along the lines of the first three albums.

I don't want this to turn into a Strays discussion but if it does that's OK, but I'll wrap up my thoughts on it by saying the songs from that record that I got to hear them do live were pretty amazing.

I think when you strip away some of its prettiness and just rock those tunes out live they go over quite well and better fit into the back catalog.

Jimmy I just checked out your myspace while typing this up and bravo!
I absolutely love the The Killing Moon cover!
What are you playing / doing in the band?

Handsome Mike wrote:

jimmydeviljames wrote:I read an interview with Martyn Le Noble the other day on Xiola.org where he said that while he isnt sure why Perry fired him, he thought it may to due to the fact that the material wasnt coming together like it had back in the day. He said that there was a understanding that they were realistic about not being able to reach the same highs they did back in the day but Perry possibly fired him as as her thought he was the problem there? Who knows.. but its probably important to note that they are probably not trying to recapture past glories. That is fine... I just hope they dont lose the Art this time. Strays, right down to the cover (which shocked me) was relatively 'art free'. I think i was just a little freaked out by soulmate as its a straight ahead rocker (from the poor quality audio i have heard). I will endeavour to be more optimistic about new Janes and see it as a a new band, not as the continuation of an old dynasty.

classic Janes addiction IS eric avery bass lines with Dave navarro adding guitar to the top of it. Lets hope the bass is given a bit more of a place in the new songs than it had on strays.

As many times as I've been lucky enough to talk with Perry I've never thought to ask him about Martyn.
I'll try and remember to ask him what happened there but usually when we talk it's more about current goings on.
I think the bottom line is he must not have been happy about something but I dunno anymore about it than you.

Yeah I don't think there's any thought given to trying to recapture past glories as you put it.
I just think these guys want to make a record in the here and now that when they're done with it they can sit back and say "we did good" or whatever.

You know what I mean?
Something they can be proud of and the hell with what the critics say, so to speak.

From what I've heard and read Strays was a for lack of a better word a "democratic" process.
For better or worse that's what it was and all the guys involved had a say in all aspects of it's making.
I like Strays but if the first three records are elevens on a scale of 1-10, then Strays is at least in my book a solid seven or so.

I also know the guys are proud of that record and while it may have been more accessible to the casual fans some of the die hard fans expected and desired something more along the lines of the first three albums.

I don't want this to turn into a Strays discussion but if it does that's OK, but I'll wrap up my thoughts on it by saying the songs from that record that I got to hear them do live were pretty amazing.

I think when you strip away some of its prettiness and just rock those tunes out live they go over quite well and better fit into the back catalog.

Jimmy I just checked out your myspace while typing this up and bravo!
I absolutely love the The Killing Moon cover!
What are you playing / doing in the band?

yeah i just hope that i can listen back to it and enjoy is for what it is without comparing it so the first 3 records. Im sure I will be able to do this too. Watching janes at Soundwave was the greatest thing i have ever seen and it was 4 ppl (now 3) projecting incredible talent and charisma. Perry and Dave are still making teenage girls swoon, there is still some fight in the boys yet. They were much more cohesive as a band than when i saw them in 03.

Thanks for checking out the myspace. Thats my project. I am playing all the stuff on there and drums are a drum machine that i just program. I am getting a band together at the moment, been rehearsing with a drummer and bass player. So im singing and doing the guitars in that.

Im really stoked u like the killing moon cover, i am 90% done with a new song that beats anything else on there. Just need to do some vocals which hopefully i can nail down tonight. Ill let you know when its done. I was listening back to the guitar solo last night and It sounds like i was channelling Billy corgan and Dave Navarro, which is basically always the goal I'd be keen to get your opinion on it, as you obviously have great taste having a Janes addiction website!!!

Handsome Mike wrote:

jimmydeviljames wrote:I read an interview with Martyn Le Noble the other day on Xiola.org where he said that while he isnt sure why Perry fired him, he thought it may to due to the fact that the material wasnt coming together like it had back in the day. He said that there was a understanding that they were realistic about not being able to reach the same highs they did back in the day but Perry possibly fired him as as her thought he was the problem there? Who knows.. but its probably important to note that they are probably not trying to recapture past glories. That is fine... I just hope they dont lose the Art this time. Strays, right down to the cover (which shocked me) was relatively 'art free'. I think i was just a little freaked out by soulmate as its a straight ahead rocker (from the poor quality audio i have heard). I will endeavour to be more optimistic about new Janes and see it as a a new band, not as the continuation of an old dynasty.

classic Janes addiction IS eric avery bass lines with Dave navarro adding guitar to the top of it. Lets hope the bass is given a bit more of a place in the new songs than it had on strays.

As many times as I've been lucky enough to talk with Perry I've never thought to ask him about Martyn.
I'll try and remember to ask him what happened there but usually when we talk it's more about current goings on.
I think the bottom line is he must not have been happy about something but I dunno anymore about it than you.

Yeah I don't think there's any thought given to trying to recapture past glories as you put it.
I just think these guys want to make a record in the here and now that when they're done with it they can sit back and say "we did good" or whatever.

You know what I mean?
Something they can be proud of and the hell with what the critics say, so to speak.

From what I've heard and read Strays was a for lack of a better word a "democratic" process.
For better or worse that's what it was and all the guys involved had a say in all aspects of it's making.
I like Strays but if the first three records are elevens on a scale of 1-10, then Strays is at least in my book a solid seven or so.

I also know the guys are proud of that record and while it may have been more accessible to the casual fans some of the die hard fans expected and desired something more along the lines of the first three albums.

I don't want this to turn into a Strays discussion but if it does that's OK, but I'll wrap up my thoughts on it by saying the songs from that record that I got to hear them do live were pretty amazing.

I think when you strip away some of its prettiness and just rock those tunes out live they go over quite well and better fit into the back catalog.

Jimmy I just checked out your myspace while typing this up and bravo!
I absolutely love the The Killing Moon cover!
What are you playing / doing in the band?

Hey i finished that new track and put it up.. its called 15 Milligrams.