intertwoven wrote:Off hand, I can't think of a Jane's example. But I also do a Rilo Kiley gigography, and here's a show that's known to be from June 28, 2002 (flyer and many fan accounts), but an LA Weekly review misdates it June 29.
http://rilokileyplace.com/shows/20020628.html
That's interesting but I honestly can't remember seeing a bogus Jane's review in the near five years I've been doing this.
I'm not saying it can't or hasn't happened, I just haven't seen it.
intertwoven wrote:Also, I seem to recall a few instances of where Jane's photos were dated a day off by the photographer. This just goes to show that even if someone was there documenting it with a review, photos, or a recording, they can still screw up the date.
This is absolutely true and I just ran across an instance of photos being misdated this past weekend.
Here's a link if you want to check them out:
http://forums.janesaddiction.org//viewt ... =36&t=1672
I guess when using any of those items as show confirmation you need to look further into it.
It's what I do all the time.
What I mean is a photo or recording can be a good hint but they're not enough on their own.
Here's a couple examples:
October 25, 1988 - The Pterodactyl Club, Charlotte, NC
http://forums.janesaddiction.org//viewt ... f=8&t=1622
I found a master recording of Iggy's set and we know Jane's were opening for him at this time.
I dug a little further and found two tickets with Jane's name on them.
Confirmed.
January 18, 1989 - Tommy's, Dallas, TX
http://forums.janesaddiction.org//viewt ... f=8&t=1090
I found pictures from this show but the photographer says the show took place on the 12th not the 18th.
I've been in contact with the photographer and she says she still has her ticket.
For now the show on the 18th has been downgraded to questionable but until I get a ticket scan or some other proof the show on the 12th only exists in this forum.
It's good stuff to have but lots of times it's only a first peek into figuring out if the show really happened.
intertwoven wrote:Again, I think you shouldn't get too worked up over the "confirmed vs probable" status. It's not like anyone is gonna take you to court if a show you confirmed ends up bogus.
I know you wanna get the list as accurate as possible, but like Erik was saying in another thread, only a small percentage of shows have live reviews for them. I think you're over-complicating things. Again, if you believe a show happened, "confirm" it. Give the evidence you got and let people make up their own minds.
Sorry if I came across as "worked up" or something.
I'm not really upset or anything like that.
I guess I'm just passionate about the work I've done these last several years.
I know it's all out there for public scrutiny and such but if i think I'm right about something I stand up for it.
It doesn't mean I want to fight over this stuff but I will debate my work's merit with anyone that wants to.
As I mentioned in my previous post Erik and I talked about this stuff at length last night and I now understand better what the two of you are talking about.
I think he'd be the first to tell you that he better understands where I'm coming from as well.
My main problem with this is the level of confirmation deal.
I feel that if a show is confirmed it's confirmed.
That said Erik and my idea of confirmed vary somewhat.
I now have a better grasp of what he sees as confirmation and it helps to make sense of this point system.
I still feel as though a dated review is the ultimate confirmation that a show did indeed happen.
He sees the tickets, flyers, posters, etc as confirmation that a show happened.
You're both right as far as there only being a small percentage of shows with reviews.
I'm of course talking about the original era shows.
They pop up from time to time but it would take a lot more work than I'm able to do at this time to get one for every show and more than likely many of the earliest shows weren't reviewed.
What you say about giving people the evidence and letting them decide for themselves is what I'm trying to do.
I dunno if I'm succeeding all the time or not but I'm trying.
This section of course can and should be used by anyone who might disagree with my / our findings.
If you or anyone else for that matter think something isn't right about a show on the list let us know.
Lastly I'd like to see anyone try to sue me!