:hello: Nicely said! I couldn't agree with you more, on all points!Like I said, if you saw the Jane's 03 tour with Chaney in an amphitheater (as most people did for Lollapalooza), it was pretty weak. In fact, of all the Jane's shows I've ever seen, it was frankly the most forgettable.
If on the other hand you saw them in a small venue, you felt it. It raged. They do not suck. And Chaney's bass stood out as one of the STRONG points. It was every bit as much Jane's Addiction as this year with Avery, or 01 with LeNoble, or 97 with Flea.
I happen to think the only PURE Jane's was 1991 and everything before that, when they were hungry, on fire, when Perry's voice was full-on, when drugs wove themselves into the tapestry, pre-Dave's silly reality TV persona, yada yada yada. But I've seen a lot of Jane's shows, and one of the very best was the Chaney show in 03 at the Beaumont Club in Kansas City. I just can't listen to people say that Jane's with Chaney sucks when they don't. What sucked (and I think Perry&Co. would be among the first to admit it) - the 03 Lolla shows were weak. The venues were weak. Fan support was weak. Even the "true fans", the "Janeheads", the "Janeiacs", were completely, totally, WEAK (see Xiola.org). That whole year was a do over and the name of the album (which I happen to like a lot) "Strays" - was extremely fitting, and I don't think that was an accident.
But momentum has changed since then. For one thing, a lot of people may credit the return of Avery, and that's true, it brought a lot of those "lame fans" back (see Xiola today, they're all lovey-dovey again, for the most part). But I credit something else entirely, and maybe it's debatable ... I credit "Strays".
Why?
Because Strays brought in a whole new pile of fans. I'm a college professor, the students I teach are largely in the 18-25 age range. When I bring up Jane's Addiction, do you know which album the vast majority of them claim to love? Strays. Why? Because it was their generation's Jane's Addiction. Some of us oldschoolers may scoff at that. At the NINJA tour, I spoke to a lot of younger people after the show and while they were blown away, many of them claimed not to be familiar with most of the songs, and were disappointed that nothing off of Strays was played. I had to explain a few things to them. Yes, I heard more than one person say, "Why didn't they play Price I Pay?"
So I think Strays being allowed to settle in for the last 6 years plus the re-insertion of Avery + Trent Reznor being badass enough to allow Jane's to headline NINJA = a real resurgence of Jane's Addiction.
It wasn't just Avery returning. And we all knew this could be a very, very temporary thing. While some people would prefer Jane's to just die away without him, I certainly don't. That's why I support Jane's with Chaney or any other bass player they see fit to replace Avery with should he decide he's quits again.
Jane's with Avery at my NINJA show was not as good as Jane's with Chaney at my Beaumont show. I chalk that up to the venue more than anything else, but comments like "Jane's with Chaney sucks" just kinda annoy me, because someone might read that and actually believe it.
No. Jane's does not suck. No, the replacement is not pitiful.
I remember people in 97 who refused to go see the Relapse because there was no Avery.
THAT was pitiful, because the Relapse was magical, triumphant, amazing, religious, spiritual, and everything else in-between. ENIT was truly a mindblowing event. And that wasn't Avery up there, that was Flea.
But I digress. I couldn't even see Jane's+Avery+Porno for Pyros+Deconstruction+PsiCom+(insert another one of my favorite bands here) for that price. So it wouldn't matter who was playing, I blew my wad at Voodoo. But if I was rich, I wouldn't miss it.
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Nicely said. I feel the same way. I've seen J.A. 12 time's from '87-'09, and as I've stated before Eric's bass really stood out '91 and '09. The shows I saw in '87-'88 were awesome, but they were club shows and the equiptment they were using was... well you know club monitors and P.A.'s. Chaney was more than fair when I saw him. You're right lolla '03 was a bit disappointing. The show I saw in West Palm '03 was'nt that good, but I saw them a month later in San Diego and they rocked. Much better venue and scene for lolla I felt. Later that year(Dec '03) I was at the Hard Rock Live show in Orlando and in a small venue, it was great. You could'nt tell the difference between him and Eric. Chris hit the notes right on every time. Flea was cool , but at times the note's would sound flat and to much funk infused in the songs, great show though. Martyn sucked(I love his playing and he is an incredible talet),but that was an off night and the second show I saw '01 was'nt much better. Overall I prefer Eric, but whatever I just want to see them once more before it's over.
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I never had a chance to see Chris play with Janes,I was making a baby in 03 lol
I think Chris is a cool cat though and it will be exciting to see the set list they play NYE.It will be a good time for sure!
I think Chris is a cool cat though and it will be exciting to see the set list they play NYE.It will be a good time for sure!
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