Hidefumi wrote:Dave Navarro - Rhimorse -Sunny Day has good sound. Bass guitar tone sound like Flea. Acoustical guitar has good timbre. Light organic percussission. All of it lost on the Trust No One. Organic sound replace by synthetic sound and synthetic drum. Why they do this I do not know. It was better first time.
i put down some guit for a friend the other day and we were talking about this very issue .. she is a bit caught up in trying to blend in with everything else being played on the radio .. didnt want her music to sound out of place .. wanted that "modern" sound and to not sound "out dated" or like the music belonged in the 80's.
i imagine the janes guys get pulled by the same insecurities and tend to disregard that GOOD MUSIC CHANGES TRENDS .. immitative production only sells by association with popular sounds but does not last. many producers impose this thought and sound priority on artists making their role valid and the musicians true expression minimal. its sort of an ego power struggle in the way ... engineers who want to be producers when they should just hit record and shut the fuck up. i am sure with janes there is a record company paying so they may impose a "producer" to ensure radio friendly sounds. in hindsight i am sure this is what perry was trying to avoid in his younger more impassioned years when he broke up janes the first time.
i would love to hear them buy their own studio go on vacation together and surf and write and eat good organic food .. but it sounds like dave is still a pretty hardcore addict, his voice slurs when he is sober(not a good sign), perry is no doubt an alchohalic drinking onstage every nite, as much as people romanticize that stuff like it is what created janes unfortunately its more what killed janes. they are definately stuck in the music machine and it may chew them up but maybe they can stay true enuf to give us something listenable ..
Hidefumi wrote:Dave Navarro - Rhimorse -Sunny Day has good sound. Bass guitar tone sound like Flea. Acoustical guitar has good timbre. Light organic percussission. All of it lost on the Trust No One. Organic sound replace by synthetic sound and synthetic drum. Why they do this I do not know. It was better first time.
i put down some guit for a friend the other day and we were talking about this very issue .. she is a bit caught up in trying to blend in with everything else being played on the radio .. didnt want her music to sound out of place .. wanted that "modern" sound and to not sound "out dated" or like the music belonged in the 80's.
i imagine the janes guys get pulled by the same insecurities and tend to disregard that GOOD MUSIC CHANGES TRENDS .. immitative production only sells by association with popular sounds but does not last. many producers impose this thought and sound priority on artists making their role valid and the musicians true expression minimal. its sort of an ego power struggle in the way ... engineers who want to be producers when they should just hit record and shut the fuck up. i am sure with janes there is a record company paying so they may impose a "producer" to ensure radio friendly sounds. in hindsight i am sure this is what perry was trying to avoid in his younger more impassioned years when he broke up janes the first time.
i would love to hear them buy their own studio go on vacation together and surf and write and eat good organic food .. but it sounds like dave is still a pretty hardcore addict, his voice slurs when he is sober(not a good sign), perry is no doubt an alchohalic drinking onstage every nite, as much as people romanticize that stuff like it is what created janes unfortunately its more what killed janes. they are definately stuck in the music machine and it may chew them up but maybe they can stay true enuf to give us something listenable ..
This is true. The trend sound do not last. It popular in short term long term it is not. The record company is problem. Necessary leadership is. Be leader no follower like Pink Floyd and Jimi Hendrix.
I think your opinions are probably a bit more tailored to the Xiola bunch.
Assuming Perry is an alcoholic because he drinks a bottle of wine on stage and Dave is an addict because of whyyyyyyyy? have you listened to Dark Matter? he doesnt slurr and he sounds Coherent ALL the time. Plus, he admits that every now and again he slips up on tour and snorts some Oxycontin. Which might last a couple of weeks.
Perry and Dave both went on to do top notch work after Jane's broke up. That break up was more interpersonal band relationships than anything else. Jane's have always had commercially appealing songs from Day 1. They dont need Rich Costey to come in and craft a radio sound for them. He is an awesome producer and does Big outer-mainstream albums. Ones that are popular among music fans but dont sound like they are bending over for radio.
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Yeah same.. but your speculation is based on nothing. So dont say Dave is a junkie again or Perry is an Alcoholic and that they are going to make a super commercial flop of an album.
Trevor, I'm not sure where you are coming from w/ this? It seems to me that the guys are all doing pretty good these days. I think Perry's darkest days in terms of substance abuse were in 91, and Dave's were in 91 and 97. Obviously it is something that will always be part of their personal fabric, but I get the impression that they're doing just fine and are surrounded by people who care and will be supportive in this area if needed.
ok just to be clear and hopefully not to ruffle any feathers ... i was discussing the question posed in the quote referenced in my post. i am discussing the reality of the music business and the reality of what an artist considers while involved with record companies, producers and the general urge to be radio friendly while coming from an origin that was not radio friendly to begin with. these are ideas as to why a musician might choose one direction or the other and the fact that involvement with a record label imposes certain pressures on a band. i dont know what janes is going to do but i referenced them and a friend of mine in response as to the different factors that often play out. i may have my opinions but its not really a pos or neg judgement, its an elaboration on why music may change from say spread to trust no one or may be part of how janes gets from point a to point b .. which is what i was discussing if this is a discussion board.
it is also unfortunate that many musicians tend to push themselves to the point of prescribed or otherwise drugs and alchohal in order to meet the demands of promoting and creating music ... unfortunately this takes a huge toll on many great musicians either just trying to keep up with the road or simply as a result of addiction from previous years on the road . i'm not out to rag on janes for drinking and what not but i did mention it as a likely factor in perhaps allowing a producer to take more control in shaping a sound than perhaps they would otherwise and i suppose i am a bit angry when i read some peoples opinions (not neccessarily here) romanticizing janes substance abuse and actually suggesting that they do more of it to get a good record. and the fact is perry really has a romantic relationship with that bottle of wine and dave really does slur a lot when speaking on dark matter and a lot of people do die thinking the drug and alchohal use is just casual or just a couple week binger etc ... then oops ... dead. happens ALL THE TIME. so im not really on a crusade to save these guys but i wont tip toe around it like it isnt there either.
re: Yeah same.. but your speculation is based on nothing. So dont say Dave is a junkie again or Perry is an Alcoholic and that they are going to make a super commercial flop of an album
i didnt say dave is a junkie nor did i say they are going to make a super commercial flop of an album. i cited what my opinion was based on .. which was something. i really enjoy discussing janes, recording, sounds, tech etcc .. i really dont enjoy arguing about things i did not say.
i believe the new janes record will likely be comercial sounding. i thought ns and ritual were commercial sounding. i dont like the production BUT I LOVE THE MUSIC AND BAND. so what. stephen perkins hates the drum production on ns and ritual. is he going to get ragged on if he posts or says that on this board???
i freaking love PRINCE music ... he is the most over produced cheezy pop sounding mutherfucker and i wish he would give us the old raw dirty mind 1999 sound again but he wont .. it drives me up a wall but i will defend how awesome he is to anyone anytime ... same with janes ..
re: I think your opinions are probably a bit more tailored to the Xiola bunch.
i post on both boards and in neither case do i subscribe to the overall opinion of each board. i am not interested in feeding into the xiola vs. janes.org BULLSHIT. i enjoy what both have to offer. i am not interested in taking sides or being devisive.
re: Perry and Dave both went on to do top notch work after Jane's broke up. That break up was more interpersonal band relationships than anything else.
i agree about the top notch work... however my remark about "what killed janes" was in reference to the first break up which i understood as privately having to do with eric and dave trying to stay clean and thus had to keep some distance from perry, and publically i recall perry saying something along the lines of .. we had a hit with bcs and if we make another record the record company is just gonna want another bcs .. and were getting to big we'll just become a corporate band if we have another hit like that .. and stuff along those lines.
